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Title: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 02, 2010, 02:29:54 pm
Because I bought my current pc in 2003 and manufactured in 2001, I've decided to build a new one myself :)
For those of you who are interested these are the specifications:

Case: CPC-T45UB-U01 (http://www.xigmatek.com/product.php?productid=27) Xigmatek Asgard
Fan: SY1225SL12SL (http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/026/sy1225sl_detail.html) Scythe "SLIP STREAM" 120mm Case Fan
PSU: CMPSU-400CX (http://www.corsair.com/products/cx/default.aspx) Corsair CX400W
MB:  90-MIBAC0-G0EAY0KZ (http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=fcsXWSxnhzZE9rnR&templete=2) ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO
CPU: HDZ955FBGIBOX (http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?detailId=532&id=617&id=618&id=591&id=682&id=532) AMD Phenom™ II X4 995 C2 125W :roll:
GFX: Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 4200 GPU
RAM: KVR1066D3E7SK2/2G (http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=&LinkBack=&ktcpartno=KVR1066D3E7SK2/2G) Kingston ValueRAM 2x1GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC CL7 DIMM (Kit of 2) with Thermal Sensor
HD: HD103SJ (http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?type=94&subtype=98&model_cd=507) Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
K/M: DS-3250 (http://www.trust.com/15052) Trust Wireless Optical Multimedia Deskset DS-3250
Display, optical drive and other hardware such as a printer/scanner I'll use from my old pc.
Optical drive will use a bidirectional IDE - SATA converter.

As you can see, it's not a gaming pc, focussing on CPU rather than GFX.
It can easily be expanded and should last quite a few years, just like my current pc did.
Many thanks to Lippy for helping me find the right parts. 8)
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 02, 2010, 05:34:45 pm
Gratz, Kiana!

Btw, that CPU is a 955 Black Edition with an unlocked multiplier, and it's the C3 stepping. The older C2 stepping had a TDP of 140W. It's far better than my Core 2 Duo E8400, that's for sure. While Intel have pretty much EOLed LGA 775 and upgrades to the now current LGA 1156 and LGA 1366 are looking unlikely as even those will be obsolete shortly, your AM3 socket should be still going strong. Even the Bulldozer CPUs that AMD are releasing next year will still be compatible with AM3.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 02, 2010, 05:45:07 pm
Thanks :) Would have had a hard time without your help ;)

The item's id on the bill is HDZ955FBGIBOX.

According to this page:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=617&id=618&id=591&id=682&id=532
C3 would be an M instead of the I.

~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 02, 2010, 07:24:36 pm
Yeah, looks like a C2 then. I thought both the 955 and 965 were 140W at the C2 stepping, but it looks like I was wrong there. Only the 965 had 140W, while the 955 has always been 125W. There is hardly any difference between the two anyway. C3 just uses a tad less power and probably runs very slightly cooler than C2.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 03, 2010, 07:02:48 pm
Already got the keyboard & mouse :D Ordered them from a different shop.
The other two will take a bit longer because they send when they have all products ready.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: ghost101 on July 04, 2010, 09:09:23 am
gratz!  :D


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 04, 2010, 11:06:07 am
Thanks, I won't be using the keyboard & mouse with my new pc.
The multimedia functions are windows based (and I like my own keyboard too much :P).
I'll turn my 'old' pc into a media centre downstairs, probably.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 07, 2010, 01:09:42 pm
Lippy, can you point me (or explain) to a web page that explains the C1, C2, C3 stuff? Thanks! :)


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 07, 2010, 01:24:40 pm
Basically the stepping is a way to show the revision of the cpu. The main difference is that newer revisions use less power while running cooler.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 07, 2010, 01:33:05 pm
OH so this is totally different than the C State that the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool shows ... sooooo confusing all these diff processors nowadays. I long for the days of the 6510! ;p


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 07, 2010, 02:10:36 pm
For Intel have a look here: C-states, C-states and even more C-states (http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/03/27/update-c-states-c-states-and-even-more-c-states/)
~Kiana~

edit: removed wrong info :)


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 07, 2010, 06:59:59 pm
CPU steppings typically use a letter and a number for revision numbers. The first one is usually A1. The letter signifies the major revision while the number represents the minor revision. Major and minor revisions mean different things though with steppings than it does with programs, but I don't want to make this sound too confusing.

Anyway, since the CPU Kiana got is a C2 stepping, it means it's the second minor revision of the third major revision of that CPU. That's basically what it means.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 07, 2010, 10:48:19 pm
Case/Fan/Memory will arrive tomorrow! :D
Still no news from motherboard though (which will be sent with CPU/PSU/HDD).
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 08, 2010, 12:09:49 am

The stepping only applies to AMD processors.
For Intel have a look here: C-states, C-states and even more C-states (http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/03/27/update-c-states-c-states-and-even-more-c-states/)
~Kiana~


As I said before, today's processors as sooooooo confusing! :p

IIRC Intel used to use a Family hierarchy to denote CPU version -- this is, before they switched to multiple-core CPUs, yes?


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 08, 2010, 04:11:36 am
Even Intel use steppings. Just about every CPU manufacturer does. The family is used to denote a generation of CPUs. A stepping is generally used as a revision of that family. I know AMD still use family to describe what generation their CPUs are.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 08, 2010, 05:05:54 am
Right, all of these different things to remember, and that's just for the CPU.

Throw in the motherboard, CPU packaging, GPU, bus type/speed, and all the other myriad components that go into a PC nonwadays, and you practically have to devote the equivalent of a half-time job just keeping up on what's what.

I wonder if there is a database out there with a web front-end that contains, in the aggregate, all of this information....


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 09, 2010, 12:13:38 am
Case, fan and ram arrived today :)
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 10, 2010, 08:51:04 am

Case, fan and ram arrived today :)
~Kiana~


So now all you need is the MB, CPU, and HDD, yes? And still no word on when that will arrive? :(


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 11, 2010, 02:39:01 am
And PSU.
Still nothing.
They don't have the MB.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 11, 2010, 02:47:46 am
Who doesn't have the MB?

You don't have the PSU yet? How big did did you get it? 500W?


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 11, 2010, 02:49:35 am
The shop doesn't have it yet, they get it from manufacturer..

I posted the specs of all parts in first post of this topic.
Are you really interested or just gathering posts? :P
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 11, 2010, 02:50:39 am
I'm really interested, and I forgot that you posted the specs there. The wattage wasn't obvious when I skimmed the message but now that you've pointed it out, I can figure it out. 400W should hopefully be enough with today's greener computes ...


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 11, 2010, 02:51:35 am
It is, according to the specs of the other parts :P
While leaving enough room for expansion.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 11, 2010, 03:40:24 am
Wattage is meaningless on PSUs. It's like assuming one CPU is faster than the other simply because it has a higher clock speed. You could get a cheap 1000W PSU and think it's a bargain, but I bet it won't be able to handle half the power of that 400W Corsair. Plus, if the cheap PSU fails, which is likely, it will probably take out the other components with it. Quality PSUs have much better protection in case they fail. It's the one thing I would never skimp out on cash on as it's just not worth it.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 11, 2010, 03:44:36 am
The corsair has some nice technologies to prevent that from happening.
Picked it with thanks to Lippy's advice :)
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 11, 2010, 09:04:34 am
The skipper there knows more about hardware than I do, and I consider myself to be fairly knowledgeable on the subject (not an expert mind you but someone most folks can turn to for assistance). And he's usually been there for me when I've had a question to which I couldn't find the answer. In short, he's a technological mensch.  :D


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 28, 2010, 10:29:09 pm
As some of you might know already, the last package arrived almost immediately after sending an e-mail to customer support. I built the pc, was shocked because of the small size of the cpu, was way more shocked because of the awful noise of the cpu heatsink and it's fan. All in all, one nice pc :) I might just have to start looking for a different heatsink/fan for the Phenom II 995 X4 :P

It's not done yet, installing Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit atm.
Maybe I'll try the new Ubuntu when I've got windows up and running.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 29, 2010, 12:26:14 am
Ditch winblows, use Ubuntu. If I get a desktop/tower, I'll be running Ubuntu on it (or some form of Linux). :D

EDIT: Gratz Kiana & hope to see you back in-game soon! >.<


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Lippy on July 29, 2010, 01:42:56 am
Yeah, gratz on the new build. Well, all stock heatsinks suck really. Your CPU will run hotter than most since it was previously a flagship CPU with all the bells and whistles, so the heatsink needs to do a bit of work. I'd keep the CPU under 62°C at all times since that is the maximum specified operating temperature. Try load testing it to see how high it will go so you know it's safe when under demand.

Even a cheap after market heatsink should run much quieter and keep your CPU much cooler if the stock heatsink sucks too much. I noticed a big difference in sound and temps when I swapped mine and my CPU has a TDP of 65W. So you should probably notice a bigger difference. My current heatsink is inaudible really; all I hear are the case fans. It's a good idea anyway if you ever plan to overclock, since it's harder to keep your CPU under the thermal limit rather than voltage. Although if you need to keep it power efficient, it's not a good idea to up the voltage more than just a touch, if at all.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 29, 2010, 07:41:54 am
Thanks :)
At full speed my case fans produce 7-10 dB (each), practically inaudible.
Unfortunately changing the heatsink for any other than the delivered one voids the 3 year warranty.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 29, 2010, 08:07:52 am
Voids which warranty? That's BS ... grrrr hate it when companies do that! >.<  :down:


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 29, 2010, 03:44:57 pm
Heh, what I hate more is that windows doesn't support hardware changes. You can't install the drivers before the change (because they can't see their hardware in the pc next to it :P). For my PC this wasn't a problem, I needed to format the old disk anyway. But I had to back-up all data of the family pc's HDD in order to do a clean winxp install so it can run on my "old" pc.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: NiteStar on July 29, 2010, 05:10:54 pm
You can actually do builds of Win XP that have the drivers loaded on the install CD and use them. I haven't done it in ages but it was pretty simple -- although I think only Win XP Pro had that option. If you'd like, I can try to hunt down the directions I used for you?


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: ddhanna on July 29, 2010, 05:46:30 pm
Keep the stock fan and heat sink...... put on an aftermarket one and use it..... if anything happens, they have no way of knowing whick fan/heatsink you were using....


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on July 29, 2010, 07:36:37 pm
Lippy suggested that as well. I'll just wait till I get my money for the websites, I'll buy a new screen too.


You can actually do builds of Win XP that have the drivers loaded on the install CD and use them. I haven't done it in ages but it was pretty simple -- although I think only Win XP Pro had that option. If you'd like, I can try to hunt down the directions I used for you?

No thanks, I've done a clean install on both PCs.
~Kiana~


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: idicus on August 03, 2010, 12:47:49 am
Driverchecker ......free and works Great, it looks thru your comp tests/checks everything then find the new/updated drivers for you.....and can install them for ya as well.


Title: Re: My new PC
Post by: Mamoru on August 10, 2010, 10:52:03 pm

Driverchecker ......free and works Great, it looks thru your comp tests/checks everything then find the new/updated drivers for you.....and can install them for ya as well.

Not in safe mode, and it's the only way it would "start".
~Kiana~